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hey all hoping someone can clear something up for me
I have heard that it is best to put all your points into health rather than Stamina or Magic and I get that from the pure resource point of view, 20 Health vs 10 Stamina/Magic and health doesn't seem to have a soft cap.
But don't the points you put into Stamina/Magic also increase the power of your physical and Magical attacks? so if you want a dps character don't you do more damage with stamina/magic points?
Yes, it does, though I don't know the conversion rate. Next beta I'll pay attention and see how much dam per point in each it comes out to.
well, you gain stamina, magic, and health per level, but per point you are correct, you gain 20 healty per point spent, or 10 stamina/magic per point spent. However I think you gain a straight +20 per level up in each as well, so when you level up, you basically can get 40 stamina at level up, or 30 stamina/magica depending on where you put your points into, which is why stamina is sometimes the best route. However, if you are a magic caster, say mage or healer, you may want to invest some of those points into magic to get a larger resource pool. Same for a damage dealer who uses alot of stamina, investing a few points into stamina wouldn't hurt.
The reason you are seeing a heavy focus on stamina might come from the pvp side of life, as having more health means lasting a little longer in pvp and it seems to be the only real defensive stat with no disadvantage as damage resistance can only protect you so much when you have armor and spell penetration to worry about.
On the flip side if you don't have a lot of stamina and magicka you run out of fighting power really fast, too.
ALWAYS have good food on you to help with your stats, too. Plus what encants you put on your gear. You probably can go all health with your attribute points if you do right by your glyph choices for enchanting and the food you have on hand. I find my templar needs ump in magicka and health the way I play her.
The latest patch notes say they are reducing the health bonus from 20 to 15.
I actually noticed health skill point went from 20 to 15 after 0.18.
well that still brings it in line a little, however, stamina still gives you the most gain. Also since you gain the same amount of health, stamina and magicka every level up, they will all pretty much be the same except for the bonuses you put into them with each attribute point. It still makes stamina that much better since mobs will get harder, so more hps means more survivablity their, plus in pvp, the only real survivablity in any game has been higher health, so if you are pvping that will probably still be the go to stat. As for me, well my main is going to be tanking so I will be dumping it all into stamina, while my templar is probably going to go 50/50 stamina and magicka for a larger pool to heal, but still more hp to survive a few hits of run away agro.
SYphon your post is confusing because you say you are putting it into Stamina and getting more Health. I think you are saying you think Health is better than Stamina, but I am not sure.
Yeah sorry I got confused, I still think of stamina as health from playing many other games where that is the stat that gives you more health. It will take some time still to get use to stamina being its own bar and uses for abilities that i would consider using energy or rage in other games to do. So yes, I meant health and magician, not stamina.
Staminia and Magicka do not influence the strength/damage of your magic and physical attacks directly afaik. What they do is determine how many power attacks / skills you can perform (so there is that indirect influence). If you want to do anything more than your base attack, then stamina and magicka are important (depending on how you trait).
About tanking... If you are playing the in your face smack me around I dare you kind of tank (is there any other kind?).. then you shouldn't ignore stamina. Stamina, not health, affects your effective health. Effective health is health measured by how much damage you can actually take rather than just how much health you have in your basic health pool. Stamina increases this because you use stamina when you block and for your active skills (which may increase damage reduction / dodge and resists)
So.. effective health considered, it is going to be about finding a balance between your stats. In PVP you will want enough health to survive multiple stuns and hits as well as enough stamina to pump out enough DPS to burn down another toon. For PVE tanking it is going to be the same. Enough health so your healer does not panick everytime a boss smacks you and yet enough stamina so that you never loose your skill rotation and ability to block.
Hope my post makes sense :P
Hmm, I've read several places that max magicka increases spell damage and max stamina increases weapon damage, but I've only read that on fan sites. After looking at reddit, there seems to be some debate about it.
Even if stamina does increase weapon damage and magicka does likewise for spell damage, there is still the issue that the soft caps for magicka and stamina kick in earlier than the soft cap for health.
Edit: the esohead.com skill calculators increase the damage of a weapon skill based when total stamina goes up. For example look at Arrow Spray on the following link:
http://esohead.com/skills/31271-arrow-spray
Now, move the 'Max Stamina' slider to the right to increase total stamina and the damage in for Arrow Spray goes up. It's possible that ESOHead has the stats wrong, but I doubt it.
>> Edit: the esohead.com skill calculators increase the damage of a weapon skill based when total stamina goes up. For example look at Arrow Spray on the following link:
That is.. a decidedly odd way for it to work and a departure (I think) from TES games. during the beta I figured the increase in damage was due to level and not stamina. Will have to do more reading into this... But if that is the case then doesn't it make those other stats that much more important for toons - especially the ones into PVE? - M.
yes..increasing stamina for weapon ( stamina attacks ) increases the base damage of the attack. This is a fact not a guess or debate. same for magicka. This has been shown in multi videos where the player will take off a piece of stamina enhancement gear and do less damage then put it on an do more.
Also theres a new beta the 14th using the newest upgraded patch and adjustments. the softcaps are suppost to be part of these adjustments. there is no set patch notes yet. There will be a new beta in a week this is not a guess either but fact.
Do you really think they are going to have the weekenders use the new beta patch? or is it going to be just another stress test run with an old build (as they have been doing)?
For the caps.. I read also that building to take advantage of the soft caps is something for end game pvp and) the soft caps increase with ranking at end game... All of this really confuses me since the whole point of them putting in soft caps was to discourage people from stacking one attribute... and yet this is what everyone is advising with health.
also in response to stamina affecting your abilities, by increasting it to increase your ability to avoid the damage. Acutally not really as much as you are suggesting, because well, to block you use stamina, however i plan to play a dragonknight, with all the extra block reduction mechanics. So my blocking will be reduced alot and I wont be burning as much stamina to pull that off. However, the dodge mechanic will eat up alot of stamina, and it is not as cost effective as blocking will be. That being said, yes I could add in more stamina instead of health as I level, but with a reduction to the cost of block, I shouldn't have to worry about that extra stat when i spend attribute points. Also you can get extra stamina pretty easily on gear as well. Its alot harder to get alot of extra health to be an effective tank, so it is best to stack the health with your attribute points allocation, and spend your skill points wisely to reduce the cost of stamina usage on abilities.
If i recall correctly though, to get out of stuns, you have to use 50% of your stamina, that is a straight 50% no matter how much stamina you get. I also recall that dodge uses a straight 30% of your stamina to use, which again is straight %, not amount. Both of these abilities in all honestly are not stamina cost effective for mitigation and damage avoidance, so it doesn't matter if you stack extra stamina or not, they will burn the same percentage if you have 1200 stamina, or 1500 stamina, or 300 stamina.
As for the damage bonus when you max it out, that is new information. However, still not something to worry about in tanking, but their seems to be trade offs when deciding. I guess it makes sense, because if you do go max stamina or max magicka, you will need to be doing extra damage to make up for the lack of health.
Another issue I find odd is that the ESOHead calculators do not take the skill tree level into effect. Going back to the Arrow Spray skill linked above, there is no slider for skill level in bow. Or for another example, take the Templar skill Piercing Javelin from the Aedric Spear skill tree:
http://esohead.com/skills/26158-piercing-javelin
Notice that there is no slider for your skill level in the Aedric Spear skill tree. So does that mean that your skill level in a skill tree only serves the purpose of unlocking higher skills in the skill tree and has no affect upon your damage with any of those skills in the tree?
There is a skill level slider there now. It does show the damage increasing as level increases. Strangely, there is a slider for character level as well, which does NOT increase damage, but does increase the cost of using the skill. A level 1 character has to expend 56 stamina to use the base Arrow Spray skill, but a level 50 character uses up 448 stamina to do the same thing. ???
