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I assume that any degree of "in" we have is directly due to Fog's activities; but I don't think he's actively looking at this game... is he?
I ask because, based on what we know at the moment, it really sounds like this game meets (and in some places, exceeds) the expectations set forth for the family to consider a chapter/house.
Anyone have insight here?
Its not fantasy based. I have one loose contact there my way of the gw2 team. But no real open dialog like we have with arenanet or zenimax
Wildstar fails on the fantasy theme that Fog has set as a requirement, although it looks promising for ticking all the other boxes. For that reason, we are running it as a Saigdhear. I see great potential in that game, but unfortunately the devs are not forthcoming at this stage. We have a strong follwing signed up for Saigdhear already, so I am sure we will have mor ethan enough players to form a decent sized guild once the game releases. That is a fair way off at this stage, but we certainly have a close eye on the title :)
I'd argue that. As far as I can tell, Wildstar is a techno-fantasy game (blends magic and technology). If Fog is going to stick to a mantra of pure fantasy (aka magic with no technology), then he's already broken the requirement with both RIFT and GW2.
The mantra is fantasy, not pure fantasy. I think Wildstar goes more towards sci-fi techno than fantasy is why it don't cut it.
Sek argue it all you want. You werent there when we launched in rift. You dont know that we NEEDED to make a jump or lose the community. We went Guardian side in rift which was anti tech. We did what we had to to survive. Guild Wars 2 gave us wvw which we expected in rift and never got. There was no other option and we did and always will do what is required to survive. We are actively trying to find a daoc2. We want to go back to our roots and wildstar is not the direction we want to go. Honestly warhammer was more futuristic than I wished but the 2 gentleman that dragged me out of the abyss loved the warhammer lore so I joined them in the game.
edit: I didn't like the way my post read back, don't think I should be trying to post when I'm tired and losing mental focus. It just didn't make any sense to me, so doubt it'd make sense to anyone else. I'll try again later, maybe.
I'm sorry, Ben, but I just can't make this work to my satisfaction in a post. There's stuff that I've been mulling over for the past few years, with regards to designing and sustaining a gaming community... and this is a discussion that I would rather have in person, some time. Just a serious, sit down, chat, brainstorm and share anecdotes type of chat. I'm sure it would be both mutually beneficial as well as entertaining, because we're both very passionate about building game communities.
Now back to my previous comment about Wildstar:
I meant that I'd argue that Wildstar can not be classified as a fantasy themed MMO. It can, because its a hybrid, just like RIFT, Warhammer and even Guild Wars 2. One might successfully argue that the Everquest games are also hybrids and World of Warcraft definitely is. Obviously a lot of them will swing more towards one genre than the other, but they still have strongly identifiable elements of the different genres in their design.
There are very few AAA titles that are not hybrids, because they have to be. Hybrids are what attracts the largest amount of interest across a vast majority of players. Different games take that hybrid model to varying degrees, but historically, any game that tries to settle into a "pure" genre of design, does not do well and anyone aiming for a AAA game just can not afford to take that risk. Any AAA game must appeal to the largest amount of players as possible, for them to at least make their cost of development back.
LOTRO has done well as a pure fantasy game, because of its famous and popular IP. However, it did almost fall flat on its face, despite of that and was only saved by a risky, but brilliant F2P model that had already brought DDO back from the brink of shutdown.
Same goes for the two Star Wars games, massive design flaws ignored. (I think SWTOR will make it out of the red eventually, because of its IP.) EVE has done amazingly well, its really the only space sim left standing, but it flirted with the edge of the shutdown cliff, but was saved by some brilliant redesigning of its server architecture and some well timed underground marketing.
I'm going to shut this off here, because I honestly could go on for hours about this stuff, but my point is that Wildstar does have strong fantasy elements to its design.
Sek your definition of fantasy is a lot different than mine. Swords bows axes ballistas and trebuchets are what im after. NOT phasers starships guns and cybernetic armor. Rift and GW2 have swords shields spells bows.
Bottomline. Gaiscioch is my creation, my vision, and my passion. You chose to be a part of it. I mean you mean no disrespect but when former guild leaders come into gaiscioch and lecture me on how to run Gaiscioch when theirs is not alive and well it really puts a bad taste in my mouth. If your community is so great why are you playing with mine and not your own. While im sure it was awesome in its day it was your creation, your vision, and your passion, not mine. I will run Gaiscioch as I see fit and if you choose to join me on this adventure great but dont try to change my vision into yours.
"Bottomline. Gaiscioch is my creation, my vision, and my passion. You chose to be a part of it. I mean you mean no disrespect but when former guild leaders come into gaiscioch and lecture me on how to run Gaiscioch when theirs is not alive and well it really puts a bad taste in my mouth. If your community is so great why are you playing with mine and not your own. While im sure it was awesome in its day it was your creation, your vision, and your passion, not mine. I will run Gaiscioch as I see fit and if you choose to join me on this adventure great but dont try to change my vision into yours.
Whoa, WHOA! Where did that come from?
Obviously I've done something to give you that impression and cause you to feel that way, but that was never, EVER my intention. I am so very, very sorry if that's how I've been coming off with any comments I've ever made to you or about anything with Gaiscioch.
I'm happily retired from guild leading, guild officering, guild leadinganything. I am quite content to let others lead, since you're right, I actually do suck at it. (ouch, btw)
Sek I never said you suck at it. I said you chose to play with us instead of running it. Its like falling in love with someone and then trying to turn them into someone else. What you loved was the original version not what you vision to create.By forcing your vision on it you destroy what you fell in love with in the first place. The point I was making is that Gaiscioch is my vision, if you fall in love with it dont try to change it. You love it for what it is.
Um. Dang.
(cough)
ANYWAY...
I actually know someone at Carbine and am trying to get a line running now... obviously not "representing" the guild, but since it's a friend and former co-worker, I'm pursuing it.
Will let you know if I make any progress.
Glad to see this made the back seat as I really do think it's going to be pretty kick arse and I'd prefer to be there as part of this family.
More as I have it... and please excuse the gaps in visiting; work is eating me alive.
Wow Fog.. a little heavy handed huh? and a bit rude to! shame on you! " I run Gaiscioch as I see fit" Wow so our voices don't matter? really?
I spend a lot of time with the Wildstar folks and there (as in the devs) definition is it is a syfy/fantasy mix. I would like to point out that Gw2 is also a syfy/fantasy mix.. a example that springs to mind.. the engineer with his flame thrower as well as his grenades. Rift as well with its whole defiant side. Bottom line is many of the family will be playing it. whether it is under the Gaiscioch banner or not kinda depends on the leadership of the guilds backing. So back it!
Yep its your guild to do with a you like, but its our membership and support that gives you the power to do this. Never forget that.
Morg
http://www.gameskinny.com/epxfs/wildstar-the-scifi-mmo-weve-been-waiting-for
http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/uplink_analysis_science_fiction_mmos.php
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/632
How can you look at this game and not see Sci-Fi? Having one class run around with a flamethrower is a bit different than having everyone running around with their phasers set to stun. And don't get me wrong, I am one of the 81 guildies signed up to be playing this game when it comes out, and I expect it to be a blast (haha), but it's sci-fi, and we all joined this family knowing its preferred genre.
Morg, we will have a saighdear there and thats the extent of it. Hex has been kind enough to organize that much. Play it if you like it but there will not be a Gaiscioch chapter there. I think your also blowing things a bit out of proportion. Yes Gaiscioch is not a democracy. Once upon a time when we were it destroyed us. I had to start over again. It occurred to me long ago that "voting" causes lines to be drawn in the sand. It causes arhuing and infighting. It forces people to do things they dont enjoy. I opt for a simpler approach. I find the game based out the needs of the family as well as my needs as if its going to be successful I need to enjoy what im doing. I wouldnt ask you to play a game you dont enjoy. Personally I dont like guns. They played a major part in my youth and still today I dont like being around them. Am I happy with the direction they took in gw2 on that front not really. Gw1 didnt have guns. Now gw2 still has the majority of content with swords bows and magic.
Fact is if your wanting a guild to explore the universe with this isnt it as a whole. You may find a few of us that will play it with you but Gaiscioch will never be there. Thats just not going to happen. To build a successful chapter and spend hundreds of hours building the site to work with it and the countless time networking and not to imagine the time maintaining the family its critical that I enjoy the game. If my heart isnt in it no good will come of it.
Fair enough my friend! I will help any way I can and I am more then willing to assist Hex in any way I can! And I appreciate your reply Fog! makes me feel much better and ya I do over react some times its the impulse control issue LOL. Apologies for being a bit of a dink! I look forward to the futher adventures of Gaiscioch in TEO and Saighdear in Wildstar!
Morg
I would like to make my position on this very clear. Wildstar is a Saigdhear. It is not an official branch of Gaiscioch. As a passionate fan of the game, I look forward to its release. I feel it would be misleading for me to approach devs under the Gaiscioch banner, because we cannot commit to the level of website and event support that an official chapter has. I have attended a community meeting so far as a rep for our Saigdhear, but that is about all that has come up.
The eldership have been very very clear as to what a Saigdhear is, and what constitutes an official chapter. We discuss this stuff in detail at our monthly meetings. So although Fog has overall say, we do spend a lot of time planning, discussing and researching into possibilities. If we find a chapter we are interested in, we enlist the help of a variety of testers who assess the game over time. They feedback and we complete the matrix. If the title "passes" we launch it officially. See below link:
http://www.gaiscioch.com/tavern/faq/post_60064.html
This has been explained in numerous posts and I think largely the confusion and questions arise when members simply don't read our previous explanations and discussions, and demand we launch into whichever game they are keen on at the time.
The website is pretty huge, and it is understandable that sometimes info gets missed. For that reason we have the Saigdhear section which explains what a Saigdhear is. Fog also recently posted in the 'ask the elders' section of the forums as to how we decide on chapters (link above). There is a ton of info there if you want to read it.
Gaiscioch cannot be all things to all players. We cannot "play all the things".
This would seriously dilute our brand and our focus and would result in chaos and unrest amongst our members. We would do many things half-assed and not really be good at any of them.
I think we have reached a nice compromise with Saigdhear in that we have not become a mega syndicate guild, but still facilitate titles other than our main chapter. The link below explains what a Saigdhear is.
http://www.gaiscioch.com/saighdear/
It sometimes amazes me that people either forget or fail to recognise the ridiculous amount of work that goes into an organisation of this size. Just maintaining the website alone takes so much time. Then there is the networking, relationship building with devs, communication with members, raidcall, charity, community/server events and let's not forget the leaders actually playing and leading in the games!!!
Please remember this is not a full-time job for any of us. Many of us have sucessful careers and families to look after. I am sorry that we cannot be a mega guild in every game for those who want us to be...but that will never happen because real life is always our priority.
The whole concept behind the family is that it is a gaming community where you can come and go as you please into any game or other guild, but you still retain that core sense of community in our main games and side projects. We are not hardcore, we are an alternative to that whole lifestealing ethos where people get kicked from the guild for not attending 5 raid or pvp nights.
We give players a choice, they may take us or leave us. We will not always keep every one of our thousands of members enthralled by our choices at any given time. But we do try to please the majority and build a cool community at the same time. You are free to play Wildstar in a hardcore 'official' guild if that fulfills your needs for that game...nobody minds that in the slightest, in fact I encourage you to play how you want to play.
I will be leading Wildstar as a Saigdhear guild, which people can join or not join depending on their level of interest. I plan to have some organised events, but not to the extent of GW2. Most will be encouraging leaders to step up and lead when they have time. Other than that having fun gaming, whilst fulfilling your real life obligations will be our main aim. This is all explained in the Wildstar section of the Saigdhear forums. Link below.
http://www.gaiscioch.com/saighdear/ws/
I hope that clarifies our position. This will be the last time I engage in it, because quite frankly, I am busy looking forward, researching and planning for FFXIV and Wildstar games. I am getting tired of justifying our position to a small vocal minority, so instead prefer to get on with more productive pursuits. Please acquaint yourselves with the Saigdhear forums and what our aims are.
Feel free to post info in the Wildstar section of these forums. I invite you to come up with ideas, discuss the game as much as we are allowed to, and get to know other players. If anyone who has posted in this thread, or any other member would like to be involved in leading pvp, pve or crafting events in Wildstar, please let me know and I will be happy to work with you.
I look forward to meeting you all and discussing the game once the NDA lifts. Until then, I will be found in the FFXIV section of raidcall, should anyone need to discuss anything :)
To be candid, I've read all the posts you reference and still wasn't clear that there was a big difference between an official house and the saidgadewhatever (have to admit, Irish though I am, the Gaelic isn't something I keep up with... so I don't try). Also, I wasn't clear that Gaiscioch was a "brand"... learn something new every day. :)
Not sure why there's such an undercurrent of hostility in some of these responses, so I'll just assume folks are either having a bad day or making the wrong assumptions about the intent/motivations of others.
To be clear, I posted because of the first paragraph of this reply and for no other reason.
@ Ezkadzati: switch the word "hostility" with frustration I think! I had no issue with your post and thought it was a valid question. My post was in response to subsequent posts to clarify what has been explained already many times, in response to other people posting arguing about Saigdhear/not Saigdhear. Which to be honest was getting really old.
No offense/hostility meant towards you personally. Where I come from, people speak plainly to address issues, set the record straight (again!) and explain the reasons why.
I just want to move on from this endless debate and spend my time getting the guilds up and running for our players in upcoming games. That to me is what is really important here.
Edit: feel free to chat in raidcall about wildstar with me any time, happy to hear suggestions etc...I am usually found in the ffxiv channel but i play Oceanic times, so it is usually pretty late.
