Fun PvP footage of Sypher PvPing while he was emperor in Cyrodiil.
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Fun PvP footage of Sypher PvPing while he was emperor in Cyrodiil.
another fun video by Sypher.
Nice video showing some mass PvP Battles
Very cool but this confirms one of the things Im most scared about as a more casual family guy player - being able to remotely keep up. Whoever is emperor looks like he's going to be able to one shot anyone less than the best geared hardcore players.
I'm also worried that there's little to no way for losing factions to come back against the emperor. Think about it - the side with the emperor is already dominating and here comes a one person wrecking machine to quell any counterattack.
This is indeed a very serious problem. The emperor should not be overpowered, but should be nothing more than than his or her rank, plus the fancyh armor. A king, emperor, dictator, or what ever you wish to call them should be just as vulnerable as any other player, this is to avoid the temptation for some to trade log on information to others so that "the emperor" can play 24/7 with impunity. Certainly this was not the intent of the developers, but as we all know there will be those out there to exploit this "invulnerability" and "overkill" if it is allowed to continue past release. I hope that Zenimax has listened to the input from real MMO players and corrects this before actual launch.
IMHO
@ Dallos and Kaytlin - don't forget dude, we are still in BETA. I don't think if something is game breaking it will stay that way for long.
I hope you're right Lateralus but the devs have all but said that they want the emperor to be super powerful, and as Kaytlin pointed out there will be hardcore PVP guilds that will abuse the Frak out of their emperor account. My main hope is that you can knock the emperor off the throne relatively easily.
Couple of points
Grymjack, I appreciate your point of view regarding the Emperor. While this is certainly still a beta view, It is a little unrealistic to see a single player wipe 2 groups of 15 players. I have seen it and experienced it during testing. The Emperor is overpowered as it now exists in the game, the fact that he or she will be a high value target means little if they are basically invulnerable, and capable of hitting harder than group dungeon mobs.
Additionally, we can be pretty sure that there are already abuses of accounts. The fact that the emperor appears pretty much 24/7 is a good indication that multiple players are already abusing the "emperor" status. If a toon is played pretty much 24/7 they dont have to be that tough, for they will acquire equipment far too rapidly. The fact that 24/7 is being seen already just re-emphasis the fact that such abuses will and have made a serious difference.
We will see in a few weeks how this plays out, I hope some balancing is in order for the Emperor before release.
Caitlin
As I have limited experience in Cyrodiil, I accept your concerns. As someone who has created and administered a PBeM game awhile back, I'm sure there will be a tonne of balance and abuse tweaks after release. I dare say that a year after release we will be surprised looking back at how many changes happen during that year.
Speaking of emperors, I have a few questions:
The emperor should be difficult. If I played through a campaign season and managed by devoting my time and effort to make it to the top and help my faction win; I would hope I would be as powered as a boss. 3 factions mean that the other two can help each other to make sure the the emperor doesn't become emperor again. Remember it just isn't your faction seeing that emblem on the map. But yeah I am sure they will tone it down thanks to videos like these. I just wonder if those voicing concerns would still voice them if they managed to get emperor status?
Laughingman, I for one would voice the objections regardless of wether or not I was emperor. It is not fun to run into a battle and wipe that many people, it becomes boring. It is a little like running into a zone as a fully equipped and spec'ed player in GW2 and then killing an upleveled player in the battlegrounds. It takes no skill, it provides no sense of accomplishment, it provides no honor. It is like going out hunting rabbits with a 120mm tank!
Becomining emperor will certainly be an accomplishment to be proud of if it is something you accomplish by yourself, without others providing 24/7 access. If you have other players assist by providing your logon information to allow them to "share" the burden then it is not an accomplishment to be proud of. Some will do this and that will taint the accomplishment for all. That will be a loss for all who aspire to the emperor title.
It is not so much taking the keeps but maintaining control of the 6 elder scrolls, as well as having the highest score in your pact. I believe loss of all six scrolls is required to transfer the emperor title, but I may be wrong on this.
Would it be fun to be emperor absolutely. Will this be something that I can accomplish, probably not since I don't think I can put enough hours into the game to accomplish the task. I hope to see a Gaiscioch Emperor one day. That would be something we could all be proud of, for it will certainly require team work in order to maintain control of the scrolls and keeps. As we grow as a guild in the game, I think it will be something to aim for certainly, but remember the goal is to have fun, not stress about a title.
Hope to see you in Cyrodiil soon!
Caitlin
Hi all!
I'll speak only from the impressions I got from the first video posted that shows an Emperor doing some PvP. I haven't faced an Emperor myself so that's why I mention this .:D
I don't believe that the Emperor is invulnerable nor does he one-shots everyone, from what I saw from the video at first he engages like four or five people but one at a time and uses a series of abilities to dispatch them no one-shot there, next he encounters a group of five maybe six people and he manage to fare well against them as long as they don't focus all of their attacks on him because the moment they focus him real hard his health drops rather quickly and he needs to go hide to restore his health.
So to summarize I didn't feel that the Emperor is god or anything just some well earned buffs obtained through hard team and solo work. And that if focused correctly he can be dealt with.
Again this are just my impressions from the first video posted here.
C'ya at Cyrodill!
I agree with what Thranor said above me. The person playing the role of Emp was just playing smart. If he decided to Leroy it that video would have been very short indeed.
Leroy it?
I could not agree with Thranor more. It takes what maybe 8-10 players that are somewhat organized to focusfire a emperor down. Ive watched every emperor video out there and theres about 6 of them. The emperor should be this powerful. He should be like a boss. These 50th level /vet ranked emperors can kill 2-3 of these lower and much lower enemys without being emperor. It is not like he is fighting a bunch of organized 50+ like he is. I do not see how he needs to be nerfed at all.
PS Leroy it = rush in blind deaf and dumb and hope for the best.
As someone who has had many encounters with the emperor in cyrodiil I must disagree with you. No one player should be so powerful that an experienced opponent should not be able to take them down. If the emperor is so overpowered that it takes a group of 10 players to "focus" them down there is something wrong with the mechanic involved. This would allow a single player to roam and defeat havoc groups at any time in the battlefield. That is simply wrong. For PvP to be fun it must be competitive. For it to be competitive the classes need balance and the ability to defeat your opponent if you are skillful. I don't care how skillful you are or what AvA rank you hold a single or small group of players cannot defeat the emperor as it is now configured. That is wrong and must be fixed before release.
I do hear what your are saying/meaning kaytin. Allow me to say it in another way for my last thoughts on it all. The competition is there for the hundreds if not thousands that are fighting for the APEX of the PvPing title. The grandiose crown that inspires the hours and the organizing the blood the deaths the victory. If a single player ANY player in anyway can beat the EMPEROR of the world.....that to me is so wrong on many levels. I think when your emperor you are the TOP boss in the game with the highest of rewards... to drum it down would be like ( if you ever watched American idol..) the reward for the tears , years and months of pain in winning American Idol you get a 25dollar gift card to starbucks and a nice t-shirt with your name on it.
Anyhow the world is a wonderful place where we all get to have an opinion. Thanks for your words I will think on them more.
I can see both sides of the argument but, again someone else has stated a good argument for my point of view before I could ( thanks Roninhood lol :P). And, like he said we are all entitled to our views. I just don't see Zen changing the balance that much with the Emperor at this point. Meaning this is the balance they picked after however many months/years of playing and tweaking among the staff, alpha, and regular beta tester. Also consider that we are not playing the release candidate, so what I just said could be completely wrong.
I just know that if I became Emp that I would want to have the feeling of being a Raid Boss (ya know since this is PART of the "end game content" for the game and there being no raids.) Also, at that point the likelihood of me ever becoming Emperor again would be very slim in the first place.
I will never be Emp... Just not in the reality of time. I will be playing my little heart out but that will still only be about 20-25 hours a week. I do not claim to know all it takes to become EMp but..... Im pretty sure my numbers are not even close to the time needed.
I appreciate everyones input on this as it is this type of input that helps to develop games that we can all enjoy. I certainly am only speaking from my own point of view. If there are enough people with similar views then perhaps there will be a change. If not, then we will certainly have to develop a method to deal with this threat, just as we develop methods to battle zergs, thiefs, and engineers in other games. If the latter is the case I hope to be able to fight alongside of all of you to that end. Hope to see you all in Cyrodiil very soon.
Caitlin
Here is the "dethroning" of an emperor.... :)
Does anyone have any knowledge of how scoring is handled? It must be based partially on kill contribution and objective capture contribution. Other factors I wonder about; maybe a leader bonus for leading a group? Is Cyrodiil quest completion a factor? Anyone have any quantitative values for scoring?
I had a post showing a video of ER killing hundreds defending a bridge in Cyrodiil. During that video they discuss how they see themselves moving up the ranking during this fight. My guess is that it is based on the experience/alliance points you receive during fights.
Great points of view form everyone! I really enjoy when everyone can speak their mind in a respectful manner and create a healthy debate about a topic. That's why I love my Gaiscioch Family :D
See you all in Cyrodill!
@all Good points on all sides. Although I'll never be able to keep up, the expectation of someone on the other side being crowned Emperor causes me to fight my lil heart out (I skirmished an emperor --not fun). Players with the same outlook may further competitive balance in Cyrodiil.
If ZOS does decide to ratchet down emperor abilities, I hope it takes a marginal approach; I don't see the competitive advantage in 732 players + 1 emp. vs. 1466 opposing players
@DrWoland AFAIK Emperors are crowned according to highest cumulative AP. Now whether the AP earned is weighted around the immediate activity that earned them, I'm not sure. As far as kills go, at level 30 I saw a range of 250-495 AP per kill when out skirmishing or soloing. 250 AP was the min recv'd and 495 was from a V1 where all damage originated from me. I've tried to keep track of points during a defense, However the button-mashing gets in the way of my counting :)
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Yeah I don't see the fun of being the Emperor if the moment you step out of safety you're instagibbed by one or two of the hundreds of enemy players all hellbent on finding and ganking you. And on the flip side, what fun would it be to come upon the Emperor and only find it to be a small struggle to take them out and then trivial once another 1 or 2 of the hundreds of players sprinting at him join in.
Whether I was the Emperor or going against them it would be much more enjoyable and exciting if it took a good number of people coordinating to take them down.
You have to keep in mind that the Emporer won't be in a vacuum. They won't be wandering the hillsides vacant of any players until stumbling upon a group of 2 players trying to PvE and slaughtering them. Where the Emperor is there will most likely be a number of their allies and you know the other 2 realms will be scouting for the Emperor and it won't take long for the other 2 realms to zero in on them.
...as I mentioned earlier, there should be a map marker displaying where the emperor is at all times. :)
Yes but if you had a marker for the emperor then their stealth abilities would be useless. Don't see that happening. We will find out in a few days how they implement the Emperor.
There is a difference between seeing a big marker on the map and knowing exactly where the emperor is.
The guy in the video is level 12 and the highest level he actually fought himself was 11, maybe he killed a 12, either way the whole time he's got other people shooting over his shoulder helping DPS those folks down. He's also fighting a bunch of Beta folks ;meaning they probably haven't had a heck of a lot of practice with ESO PvP. I've fought a (VR10) on my (30-something) Archer/Templar, then again as emp; frankly he didn't seem 'that' much more powerful to me. *shrug*
