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ESO Dupe Bug

Ban Muintir de na Capall
Luneaus
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Posted On: 04/18/2014 at 07:42 AM
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Hey all, this was sent to me by a co-worker today, and I thought I'd pass it along to make anyone aware and to get a feel for the seriousness of it.

Elder Scrolls Online Dupe Bug Found - Billions of Gold and Rare Materials Flooding the Game

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/23cc8j/elder_scrolls_online_dupe_bug_found_billions_of/

Has anyone encountered this in game yet? What do you think they'll do about it? If it's as serious as they say, it may mean a serious data reset to recover. 

 Edit: another article related to the news: http://segmentnext.com/2014/04/18/eso-item-dupe-bug-gives-exploiters-millions-apparently-fix/

 

Last Edited on: 04/18/2014 at 07:45 AM
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Ridire de na Capall Donn
DrWoland
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 07:55 AM PDT

That's unfortunate. I am sure they will get around to fixing it, hopefully sooner than it took Funcom to fix their dupe bugs with AOC. While it might chase away a few players to me the game is more like golf, I'm playing for my own score, and cheating doesn't interest me. I hope others I play with don't do these sorts of things, but in the end I can only make decisions for myself.

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Ban Ridire de na Capall Gorm
Mira
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 07:59 AM PDT

The implications for pvp seem to be horrendous. Dupers will have a huge advantage having full legendary sets. How can honest players hope to compete with that. Other than a roll back - I cant see anyway to fix this. These dupers literally have thousands of the legendary mats in their bags. 

Roll back would effect everyone - and no doubt cause a huge uproar. But without it - will PvP ever be balanced.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/81857/the-wider-implications-of-large-scale-duping/p1   This guy sums it up pretty well.

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Curadh de na Sailetheach
CaptainYamerica
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 08:03 AM PDT
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Very frustrating indeed. 

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Seaimpin de na Iomproidh Corcra
DeaconGrim
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 08:18 AM PDT

These folks will definitely have an advantage in PVP. However, it can be overcome with greater numbers of players and good strategy.  On Tuesday night I was playing with a group of Hopesfire regulars some in our guild and many not when we encountered a small team of V10 Aldmeri Dominion players. Yes you read that right, Veteran rank 10 players. DC has 1 or 2 on Hopesfire now also.  Anyhow, our group of about 18 took down this team of 4 V10 players that also had about 8 lower level players supporting them. We killed them 3 times in the open field, with a few losses on our side, of course.  But we only had two v1 players and the rest of us were non-veteran ranked players.  It can be done if you call targets, keep an eye on your flanks, stick together, and use damage increasing skills like Templar's Backlash.

When we attacked a keep that they were defending, though, the advantage of defense gave them too much strength and they repelled us multiple times.  However, these guys are not organized nor strongly strategic. They'll use stealth some, sure, but that seems to be the extent of their strategy.  With this kind of strength, you don't hit them head on, rather use guerrilla warfare. I'd love to see two raid groups taking every AD resource on the map, initially leaving all the keeps alone: completely wipe out their transit system.  Then start each group seiging two different keeps as far away from their respawn area as possible, with camps set down at each seige. That, I think, would work against a group like this, especially if a third group went after scrolls while these two seiges were going on.

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Saighdiuir de na Capall
Kalizaar
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 08:45 AM PDT

You'd think with some data mining they could easily identify the highly anomalous players and strip them down or something.

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Taoiseach de na Arach Glas
Foghladha
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 08:54 AM PDT
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Just a warning. I've seen this in the past. People who use game breaking exploits like this tend to get peermabanned. Additionally cheating is highly frowned upon in this family.

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Saighdiuir de na Capall
Kalizaar
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 08:59 AM PDT

Yeah I'm sure there will be a bunch of accounts nuked that were obviously involved. Unfortunately I imagine there will be some innocents caught in the net as well. Although without there being a public auction house I can't imagine mostly innocent people making anywhere near the amount of money these dupers probably have.

 

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Curadh de na Iomproidh Donn
Steerpike
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 09:13 AM PDT

I don't think they'll do any kind of rollback. Apparently, the exploit has been used since launch, and they're not going to rollback the server that far. Hopefully banning the right accounts and deleting gold /items where possible will take care of it.

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Caomhnoir de na Griobhta Donn
Blienmeis
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 09:21 AM PDT
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From the Reddit: looks like this bug was reported at least a week ago if not more. And the exploit itself seems to have been reported in PTS last fall (although I do not recall seeing it). 

Unfortunately the effects may be too much to roll back, as the people using it made millions of gold (if the reports are to be believed), which were spent or sold. I hope ZOS will find a quick solution to this.

My vote would be to perma-ban anyone using this cheat, as it is highly disruptive.

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Ridire de na Aracos
Sal
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 09:41 AM PDT
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No big deal. Game is rigged for some. Same as real life. Keep Calm, Carry On.

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Caomhnoir de na Iomproidh Donn
Ceadda
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 09:45 AM PDT
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I like the golf comment, and /agree. If others want to cheat. fine. Their sense of "winning" is pretty flawed. I'm also proud of what I earn and the hard work I put into things. /banhammer

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Ban Muintir de na Capall
Ysolde
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 10:36 AM PDT

My worry is in past games when players duped gold they would use it to buy items and when the money trail led to an innocent party they got caught in the crossfire as well. I think for myself I will just stick to in-guild trading and forego the use of zone and possibly guild store purchasing until this gets resolved.

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Curadh de na Capall Buí
Mystborn
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 10:43 AM PDT

While this may be related to a previous bug on PTS it may also just share the same symptoms.

I feel like the bug is relatively recent on live, you can see the pattern in the price of legendary mats and when they dropped.  Also I guess gold sellers price for gold dropped dramatically over the same period (since they can now just print gold).

What bothers me is they new about this Tuesday night and there were not immediate steps to fix it or take the server down.  As much as I'd have hated the server coming down leaving it up for 3 days with an active dupe bug may have caused server harm to the economy of the game for a long time.

I'm hoping that the reason they didn't take the server down then was because they have an effective way of tracking the duped items behind the scenes and removing them from the economy.  Not sure what they are going to be able to do with the gold though.

I personally bought 10 legendary mats from someone for 3.5k each about 3 hours before I heard about the exploit (3.5k was a really good price then, people were selling them for 10k).  Fortunately I was able to offload them for 4k each before the price sank even further (they are selling for less than 2k each as of last night).

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Caomhnoir de na Fhiaigh Gorm
Mulch
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Replied On: 04/18/2014 at 02:43 PM PDT

Trying to put a positive spin on it -- other games with dupe bugs (EQ1, Funcom's Anarchy Online & Conan), the goldsellers got massive inventory via the dupe. What this meant was there wasn't the incentive for them to have botters going around ruining the gameplay. RMT in ESO and so many other games is a fact of life. At least a dupe bug means they don't have to steal our kills to get the gold to sell.

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